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Nice Guys = BLEAH!
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From: "Richard Grego" (
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:31:34 -0400

    I thoroughly enjoyed the article, why nice guys are such losers. I think it has the essence of much truth that many people, guys and gals, could learn from. Thanks and keep up the good work.

Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: matthew (
Subject: thank you

I am an 18 yr. old male and I found your site...well actually, I don't remember how I found your site.

Anyway, i just wanted to thank you for creating you site and being brutally honest about everything.

Though I guess I can't really put myself in the "nice guy" category because i never bothered to even waste time talking to girls. I don't want to put any of my issues and problems on some unsuspecting girl just because i want a girlfriend. Even though i didnt do the terrible things "nice guys" do (emotionally manipulate, etc.), I did have most of the other characteristics. I now at least know how not to behave when i do talk to women, or anyone, for that matter. It's just ridiculous to think that they'd want to be worshipped like some god. Only assholes want to be worshipped.

Thanks for being such an honest effing bitch.

i prefer to say effing.

Subject: great site!
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 21:37:49 -0400 (EDT)


Love your site. I don't know if a rant along these lines would be appropriate for this site, but after reading your stuff about Nice Guys it has occurred to me that some women exhibit an exactly analogous cognitive distortion: the Madonna-Whore complex. In other words, women who complain about men because of the so-called Madonna-Whore complex are really just whiny insecure losers in the same way that men who complain that women date only jerks are whiny insecure losers.

Recently I have had a very negative view about feminists because many of the ones with a bullhorn are just embittered hags who hate men. Though you bitchslap "nice guys" around a bit, they need it. And the beauty is that it is clear to me that you really actually like men, that is real men as opposed to passive-aggressive "nice guys." You have restored my hope for feminism. Rock on!


Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:01:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: greg webb (
Subject: I'm the nicest guy I know

        Dear Ones,
    Having had many, many years to contemplate my deeds, I have realized that you are right. Nice guys are seriously skewed (screwed) from reality. I have learned that being honest always isn't the best procedure, for, as a nice guy, my honesty was meant as a sagacious pearl, but was taken as contemptuous revilement. So, being the nice guy that I am, I changed my brute honesty to whitewashed subtleties. Instead of telling my lady friends that their atrocious vanity and heartfelt,heartless twisting of the foot while squishing their "bug" was indicative of their penile envy, I told them that we must love one another. A lie.
    I claimed all are equal, but the rambling nonsensical spew coming from the fair genders pieholes was to be eliminated in my house, but in honest dishonesty, I allowed them to babble in feigned rebus' that oddly sounded like Latin, with a little Chewbaka and Scooby thrown in. Cunning linguists, I called them.
    Well, to make this short, I now realize how gratifying it is to f*** with femininity, and Igive the heartless ones unconditional love, but with a string attached. When they pull that string and succeed in my demands, it surely will be of no avail, for it was the almah that picked fruit from my enemies branches, and it was love at first bite. Rejection is a bitch, just like you. But paybacks are a bastard of a flame. And once again, you're going down, just the way you like it.

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: greg webb (
Subject: one more comment

   I will write one more letter, since I haven't made it to any of the lists with my other four letters. 
    I would just like to comment on your reply to Geoff (I actually know a guy who spells his name that way) concerning short men. I am 6'1" (not too tall, but not too short) and fairly muscular and large framed, so this isn't in my own defense.
   I am just here to tell you, some of the toughest, most valiant people I have met have been short guys. Women should not assume a short guy is one who could not protect them in a violent situation, if needed. (I've actually been bested by two short men in my younger life, and I ain't exactly a wimp.)
    I just wanted to point this out, for I do believe that's a stereotypical attitude to possess about short people in general. 
    Most of what you write on this site, though, is pretty accurate, in my opinion. I'm just upset you didn't think my previous four letters were worthy of some roasting.
    See ya,
  PS...I hope you don't print this one. This is just a testimony for your personal consideration (or lack of). Please don't print it just because I asked you not to. It's just an effort to help you improve your accuracy in your statements. Actually, I'm being a nice guy right now, so have a little pity.  Your site has been very informative, once again (meant without any sarcasm on my part).

From: "Stephen Propsting" (
Subject: Nice Guys
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:14:10 +0100

Just a comment on your Nice Guys ™ section, which is brilliant by the way, about the Jerk vs. Nice Guy ™ arguments. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the term Jerk, which should perhaps have its own definition of Jerk ™, which from the side of HB would be along the lines of a confident, funny, assertive guy who is not afraid to directly approach a woman he’s interested in. When reading I get the impression a fair number of the people who write in to complain about women who go out with “Jerks” use “Jerk” to mean the sort of guy who abuses, cheats on, steals from or beats up the women he’s involved with, and to complain about the women who stay with them because of “The good times” or “He loves me really” or other self deluding reasons along those lines. “Jerk” is commonly used in both cases (for the latter case I prefer “Loser” but each to their own), and I reckon it would just clarify the section that seems to get the most public attention to define Jerk™ clearly. That said, given the number of Nice Guys who seem to have read the whole section and still write in to talk about their ‘special friend’ etc and still have not got the point of the article it may be an uphill struggle to point out the difference between “Jerk” and “Loser”. At least those that don’t get the point will probably remove themselves from the gene pool by their own actions anyway, although I still can’t understand how Nice Guy is not extinct already.

Just a quick comment to the “Nice Guys” out there – Why? You all seem to have noticed that “being friends” does not work when trying to attract women, and you all seem to have noticed that women tend to go for confident guys who actually approach women and ask them out. With this in mind why have none of you learnt to change your attitude and try going up to women in a way you can see works, rather than sticking with a method you complain about always failing?

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